Recently, the Snydertards have released a new campaign called Sell the Snyderverse to Netflix. The reason is that they dislike the fact that James Gunn is the DC equivalent of Kevin Feige, a role they hoped it was given to Zack Snyder. They even have the delusions that Snyder's wife, Deborah Snyder has been in meetings with WB in order to get the Snyderverse to be produced outside of WB and DC.
My reaction can be summed up like this:
It's incredibly stupid to think it's incredibly stupid to think that Warner Brothers would just give up their biggest IPs to a competitor, much less share then with a disgraced director that pretty much destroyed said IP. They're trying to argue that the movies were only profitable with Snyder and that everything else has sucked...
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| This chart is flawed. It only looks at box office numbers not taking outside elements that influenced latter movies. Not to mention that The Suicide Squad was a 2021 film. So even the chart may be wrong. |
Everything after 2019 was hit by the COVID-19 Pandemic. Less people were going to the movies, many movies were getting quick releases on streaming or in some cases Simultaneous releases. Why go to the movies when I can watch them at home? This is not just for WB. Everyone was feeling the blows from COVID, including theaters. So yeah, it's a bit unfair to compare pre-pandemic box office to mid-pandemic numbers.
The only profitable "Snyderverse movie" was Aquaman which made 1.148 Billion with a 205 Million budget. It also had the least involvement from Zack Snyder. A huge chunk of that money was made from thirsty shirt sniffers that were flicking beans at a shirtless Momoa. Now let's ignore the Fluke that is Aquaman, since no other DCEU movie came close to making that kind of money, let's look at this chart that removes Aquaman:
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| Without Aquaman, you can see how "the Snyderverse" was crashing down. |
Aquaman, freaking dude who talks to fish did far better than Justice League, whi Snydertards claim it was a Whedon film (it isn't, will come back to this later. ), and Batman v. Superman, which was a Snyder flick. The worst member of the justice league, known as a perennial joke, was able to beat DC's Holy Trinity: Batman and Superman, the top two comic book characters of all time! Also Wonder Woman Who is not at the top of the cultural zeitgeist, but is DC's THIRD BIGGEST CHARACTER. The movie of the guy who talks to fish outperformed them all! This was in no one's Bingo cards. Batman v. Superman and Justice League were supposed to breach the Billion dollar barrier but didn't for a couple of reasons:
Main one is the Second rate Michael Bay who can't make a coherent movie in 2 hours or less.
BvS made 872 Million DESPITE Zack Snyder.
250M was the budget for the movie. Now some folks say that for a movie to be profitable it needs to be either over 2 times the production budget. This is what I've heard the most. Others say that it needs to be over 3 times the production budget.
If It's over 2PB, then BvS was profitable as it made 372 Million over the 2PB threshold.
If the threshold is 3PB, it still made a profit, but not as impressive. 122Million profit sounds paltry for a movie featuring BOTH Batman and Superman.
Man of Steel had a PB of 225 million and it made 668 Million in Box Office
Using the 2PB and 3PB we can see that it made
With a BO of 668M minus the 2PB of 450M we could say it had a 218M profit.
Now if we have to use 3PB, the results... well,
668-675 puts it in a NEGATIVE 7 Million.
Now let's look again at Aquaman:
PB 205 Million BO1,148 Million.
Using the BO- 2PB= Profit
Aquaman gets 738 Million as Profit.
Using the BO-3PB = Profit
Aquaman gets 533 as profit.
With 2PB formula, MoS couldn't fully find a sequel with its profits. Using 3PB formula, the movie is in debt... Now BvS fares a bit better, since the 2PB formula yielded enough profits to fully fund a sequel. The 3PB formula can't fully fund a sequel.
Now let's tackle the problematic one:
Justice League a movie that Zack Snyder sank.
The excuse here is his daughter died. Had his daughter NOT died, his final product would've been just as bad.
Without Joss Whedon, the movie already had spent 270Million for PB. Let's add the extra 70 Million used to complete the Snydercut. That's 340 Million for a 4 hour movie. That means cutting the amount of showings in half. Adding an intermission, because 4 hours without peeing is murder on the bladder. Also the 20-30 minutes of trailers. You'd get about 2 showings per day.
So, using the BO-2PB= $ formula, the movie would've needed to make over $680 Million, which would be really hard for a 4 hour R rated movie.
Usong the BO-3PB= $ formula, ZSJL would've needed to make over 1.02 BILLION in order to turn a profit. Zack Snyder's most profitable movie was BVS... which didn't reach the Billion needed and that was a PG-13 movie that was running on the already problematic over 2 hour runtime. A Rated R movie with nearly twice the runtime as BvS would've been catastrophic for WB.
Now Joss Whedon was tasked to salvage the JL movie and was only given 30Million to fix the Snyder mess. He had a huge uphill battle without on the flexible Warner Brothers not wanting to move the deadline and asking multiple demands to change things in the movie. He also had an uncooperative cast that was fighting him every step of the way. I'm not saying that Joss Whedon is a saint, but with the demands from the studio and the actors fighting him no wonder he was such an asshole. I've also stated that many of the arguments to attack Whedon, make Snyder look bad. Whedon "reshot 3/4 of the movie with 30Million" while Snyder filmed like 10 minutes and needed an additional 70 Million to complete the Snydercut.
Looks like Whedon is more effective at directing movies while balancing a budget.
"Snydercut and Josstice are completely different from each other". Only if you look at the differences. If you look at the similarities, over 80% of the Theatrical version is in the Snydercut. Also, when you have 2 extra freaking hours of content, of course it would be different to the one edited to fit a specific running time. If Snyder wants to prove his movie is superior to the Theatrical version, all he needs to do is: Zack Snyder's Justice League: 2-Hour cut. Then if Joss Whedon changed so much if the movie, why is Zack Snyder's name still attached to it. The DGA didn't deem Whedon's changes worthy of getting the title of director. Also, Snyder didn't try to get the movie Alan Smithee'd.
Applying the BO-2PB =$ Zack Snyder's Justice League: Theatrical Cut aka Josstice: the profit is only 57.9 Million.
Using the 3PB formula yields a NEGATIVE 242.1
So we can see why Whedon might have vanished from the face of the Earth... and the controversies didn't help either.
Basically, if you look at the gross numbers without taking in consideration other factors, the profits shrink significantly. Zack Snyder wasn't as profitable as his fanbots believe.
If it hadn't been for the Aquaman fluke, the DCEU would've been put away to pasture in 2018. Now, everything after JL was a mad scramble with Affleck quitting due to personal issues. WB feeling betrayed by Cavill's Mustache and disappointed on Superman's poor profitability... then there's the whole Cavill wanted a bit more creative control for Superman (in order to make a more Classic Superman and not the diet Injustice Superman that Snyder made). Then there was the Snydertards and their boycotts... while not a Huge factor, their presence was felt. Shazam and Black Adam show that the numbers of DC fans aren't that big on their own on movies that they WANT to watch WITHOUT The Pandemic getting in the way. They just didn't bring forth the Casual Crowd. Why didn't they?
The main problem is still Zack Snyder.
Zack Snyder drove the casual Audience away.
Whether it was Jonathan Kent saying that it might be OK to let children die, Batman going from I'm going to kill you to We're BFFs after Superman said Martha, or when Discount Mark Zuckerberg offered some Bear Grylls approved drink to the senator. Maybe it was killing off Superman in his second movie robbing the Death of Superman arc of any significance and then claim that it could happen again because the real Doomsday is in Space. There's too much bad shit in BVS to scare most folks worse than Bat Nipples and Asses.
That has been the main problem with DC movies. There's no clear direction from the directors or the studio. Now for some reason, certain folks who think that giving the keys to DC to Zack Snyder is a great idea...Now this is the part where the Snydertards play their gotcha with:
"ThE sUiCiDe SqUaD fLoPpEd"
Yes, yes it did. Came after Birds of Prey, a movie that was REALLY BAD and Wonder Woman 84 which was bad, but better than Birds of Prey and the really pretentious title about Harley Quinn. With a Snydertard boycott, Simultaneous streaming release, COVID-19 Pandemic in full swing, and general audiences didn't care much after the Previous Suicide Squad movie sucked. But despite all that, Gunn had a much better grasp of the characters and made Polka Dot Man's death much more impacting than Snyder did with Superman.
Netflix wouldn't touch this with a 39½ foot pole.
Mainly because the Main DC character IPs would be ridiculously expensive. Not to mention that WB would be extremely dumb to sell them away. Biggest example for why they shouldn't sell IPs: Spider-Man.
But, if WB somehow sells the rights to movies about DC's main character IPs to Netflix, it doesn't automatically mean that Snyder would get to direct. For all we know, Netflix could bring back Joss Whedon to direct... OR they could add all the inclusion that Snydertards use to complain with Marvel... Yes, I'm aware that I kinda have that in common with them. I believe in being faithful to the source Material, they... well, I'm not sure, since they whine about inclusion but ignore the Jason Momoa playing a white blonde dude in the room. Isn't that the "evil race swapping" they're so critical of?
But I digress... Netflix is gonna Netflix and it's highly unlikely that ASSUMING they get the DC IPs that they'll deliver Big Studio level films. Especially, with Zack the Money Pit Snyder...
Army of the Dead cost about 90 Million and only made 1 Million... Now that's a MEGAFLOP!
For those who are counting.
Also, Terrorists shouldn't get what they want...
This is what the Snyderfans support... I don't know about you but that kinda sounds like inciting violence or something worse. No one with common sense would want this kind of people on their side.
Snyderverse is dead...
... and give Gunn a chance. If he blows, then whine away.
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